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Bullying, suicide and circumcision

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I unwittingly came across another lame excuse new parents use for circumcising their baby boys. Unfortunately, this one came from someone I actually know IRL. Suffice to say we are no longer friends.

9) With all the bullying in high school and teenage suicides running rampant, I refuse to paint a bulls-eye on my son’s forehead.

It’s amazing how this kind of thing can escalate. I innocently posted a few links on her FB wall a few days ago, merely telling her that I didn’t know what she had decided but that she shouldn’t think it had to be done, and that maybe the links would help. That was it. She either hid or deleted the links, since they were off her page a few hours later, but she didn’t say anything to me. I didn’t post anything else on her wall, and I thought it was over with. Today, she posted some nasty comment about how she was amazed how people could be so blind about real issues with our society. I didn’t know if she meant me, so I vaguely responded, “Yeah, and it’s worse when people turn a blind eye to issues that are easily avoided.” After all, I didn’t want to rock the boat if she was talking about something else. Thing is, she was talking about me, and immediately responded with #9 above.

I was taken aback, but before I could even respond, one of her other friends jumped in and commented how this yet to be born baby boy wouldn’t have to worry about killing himself when he was 15 or being a 40 year old virgin or looking on youtube for a video on how to give himself a circumcision. My blood started to heat at this point, and I hadn’t said anything about circumcision yet (other than the two links I posted a few days ago). Apparently, these two very ignorant girls (barely out of high school) must have been talking about my links and were stewing about it over the last few days. I responded that at least if a teenager decided he wanted a circumcision, it was his choice since his parents didn’t take that choice away from me. At this point I was called a “damn liberal”. The mom to be then posted a very long comment that I stopped reading less than half way through, but it basically said she thought it was gross not to do it, and that she thought it was ugly if it wasn’t done, and that with all the bullying in school, he would be picked on, and that it happened at her school, blah blah blah. I told her that fewer parents were cutting their boys now, so that it was entirely possible that her son would be picked on because she cut him, and I reminded her that she had met my intact son, and did she really think he had a bulls-eye on his forehead. Does she honestly think her son will be spared bullying and/or suicide if she circumcises him? If she had done research, she would find the many boys out there who contemplate suicide because they were circumcised. It just boggles the mind what people come up with to justify this horrible abuse to their baby boys.

Anyway, this nonsense went back and forth until the other gal jumped in and told me it was one thing to have an opinion but another to force my view down someone’s throat, which I never did. I told both of them that I would never bring it up to either of them again, especially the pregnant one, since it would be too upsetting to know that she was so ignorant and refused to do the research. I then unfriended both of them and will never speak to either again.

What did I learn from this? That I will keep my intactivism online with ignorant people I do not know. It is a whole other beast when dealing with people you know and consider friends. Because I can never be friends with either of those gals again. How could I, when they think my son is gross and ugly?

Stupidity abounds in the pro-circumcision camp

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It’s that time again for another venting post. I used to try to convince myself that the people who were for circumcision were merely ignorant, and that all it would take would be a civilized conversation and directing them to a few good links and a video of the procedure. First, it is hard (if not impossible) to have a civilized conversation with someone who likes to mutilate baby boys, and second, it seems that it isn’t merely ignorance fueling that desire to maim. It is pure unadulterated stupidity. I fell in the ignorant camp about 5 years ago, when someone convinced me to do a bit of research on circumcision. I had believed it was just a useless flap of skin that got in the way and needed to be removed. I believed that the babies didn’t feel anything, so it was better to get it over with then. If those were the reasons everyone agreed with circumcision, it would be very easy to persuade them otherwise. Just watching a video of it lets you know it’s not just a flap of skin. Visiting a site like circumstitions.com, intactamerica.org or norcirc.org and reading up on what the foreskin is and does should also be enough for anyone who doesn’t want to watch a video (though no parent who is unable to watch the procedure should be able to subject his/her son to it). But it isn’t that easy, so the reasons must run deeper than mere ignorance.

There are girls out there who blatantly say they would never give an intact guy a blow job. No one can really pay much attention to stupid comments like that though, since many girls might never give a cut guy a blow job. That isn’t something that a lot of women will want to do unless/until they meet the guy they fall in love with. Then you pretty much want to do almost anything to make him happy. Though would those girls be more relieved when they learn that sex is better with intact, and that those men are less likely to even want a blow job because they don’t need that extra pressure? Cut men need it, since they enjoy it far more than actual sex. After all, the mouth is tighter than the vagina, so their poor mutilated desensitized penises can feel more in a mouth. That might also explain why more cut men do anal sex (other than the gay men, of course, who have no choice but to use oral or anal) than their intact counterparts. An intact penis is designed to have sex with a woman’s vagina. They are two pieces of a puzzle that give both partners more pleasure together than apart.

There are other people who insist that male circumcision cannot be compared to female genital cutting, but there are many similarities. Yes, the extreme case of FGM is far worse than the standard circumcision, but they are very similar when dealing with a botched circumcision, especially those that lead to amputated penises or death. I would think death caused by male circumcision is far worse than any type of FGM that leaves the woman alive. You can disagree with that if you wish, but life should always be valued more than death.

Anyway, I have already covered FGM vs MGM in another post, so I won’t dwell on it here, but it does bring me to another example of stupidity that I have encountered. There are some people (hopefully only a few this stupid) who don’t think that a baby losing his penis in a botched circumcision is considered amputation. They don’t agree that the foreskin is an organ that can be amputated. Worse than that, they don’t agree that the penis is an appendage that can be amputated. So if a boy loses his penis, they don’t think it was amputated. I don’t know what word they would use to call the removal of the penis, but what does it really matter when you’re dealing with this level of stupidity? I’m certainly at a loss and cannot continue any type of conversation once I realize I’m talking to someone this stupid. See that is the difference between ignorant and stupid. Ignorance is merely lacking education. Once informed, that person is no longer ignorant. You can’t fix stupid, though. You can only hope that person never breeds.